Comments on: Govern yourselves accordingly http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/ Tango, photography and whatever's bleeding edge Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:28:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Marty http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-459670 Marty Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:45:07 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-459670 Another massive hole in their scam is when they send me two letters for two of my domains with the same name but different TLDs. Each letter listed the domain I was being "notified" about in the other letter as "Available." Another massive hole in their scam is when they send me two letters for two of my domains with the same name but different TLDs. Each letter listed the domain I was being “notified” about in the other letter as “Available.”

]]> By: Domain Registry of America | /usr/bin/pwn http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-458243 Domain Registry of America | /usr/bin/pwn Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:04:14 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-458243 [...] same blog also received a cease-and-desist letter about that very post for calling them a scam. To which I [...] [...] same blog also received a cease-and-desist letter about that very post for calling them a scam. To which I [...]

]]> By: Stan http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-455176 Stan Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:59:18 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-455176 You failed to mention that the price that DRoA charges is three times the going rate (at least). Therein lies their profit. There is a sucker born every minute. That's their stock and trade. Buyer beware. You failed to mention that the price that DRoA charges is three times the going rate (at least). Therein lies their profit. There is a sucker born every minute. That’s their stock and trade. Buyer beware.

]]> By: Domain Registry of America Renewal Notice – Watch out! | David Taylors Business Intelligence Blog http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-397593 Domain Registry of America Renewal Notice – Watch out! | David Taylors Business Intelligence Blog Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:49:11 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-397593 [...] Click here to read more… [...] [...] Click here to read more… [...]

]]> By: Steve B http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-388979 Steve B Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:15:44 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-388979 If you think their registry service is a scam. Try their support group! I have a client using them and I can tell you that they are fantastically incompetent, lazy, and insulting. I have been designing websites for years and writing software since 1983 and I was literally told that I was "incompetent" 3 times in a 15 min. phone call to these idiots. The ultimate irony came when it became obvious to them beyond any doubt that the problem was in their server configuration...They hung up on me!! Let me repeat... the DROA technical support group hung up on me. There are probably a million registration and hosting companies on this planet. STAY CLEAR OF THESE PEOPLE, you'll be happier for it. As for me, I have thankfully conviced my client to let me move the site to another hosting company. We'll deal with moving the domain name later. If you think their registry service is a scam. Try their support group! I have a client using them and I can tell you that they are fantastically incompetent, lazy, and insulting. I have been designing websites for years and writing software since 1983 and I was literally told that I was “incompetent” 3 times in a 15 min. phone call to these idiots. The ultimate irony came when it became obvious to them beyond any doubt that the problem was in their server configuration…They hung up on me!! Let me repeat… the DROA technical support group hung up on me.

There are probably a million registration and hosting companies on this planet. STAY CLEAR OF THESE PEOPLE, you’ll be happier for it.

As for me, I have thankfully conviced my client to let me move the site to another hosting company. We’ll deal with moving the domain name later.

]]> By: Rilla http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-378319 Rilla Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:51:42 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-378319 One of our clients at my marketing co got roped in by them, now I've been assigned the task of wresting the domain back out of DROA's hands. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this? I spoke with one of them on the phone and it was clear he was a douchebag and the whole thing is going to be hell to deal with. One of our clients at my marketing co got roped in by them, now I’ve been assigned the task of wresting the domain back out of DROA’s hands. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this? I spoke with one of them on the phone and it was clear he was a douchebag and the whole thing is going to be hell to deal with.

]]> By: Rob http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-326475 Rob Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:48:09 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-326475 I too have been gettin pummled with these rediculous emails. I assumed it was a scam. Thanks for putting this out there for all of us to see. I too have been gettin pummled with these rediculous emails. I assumed it was a scam. Thanks for putting this out there for all of us to see.

]]> By: Mark http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-322693 Mark Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:34:39 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-322693 I just got two of these scam letters this week. I remember this from years ago and I can't believe they're still getting away with it. Every letter they sent me will get sent straight back without a stamp. :-) I just got two of these scam letters this week. I remember this from years ago and I can’t believe they’re still getting away with it.

Every letter they sent me will get sent straight back without a stamp. :-)

]]> By: John http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-287640 John Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:01:49 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-287640 Just got the "courtesy" letter today. Courtesy my arse... So, the "Domain renewal group" (www.domainrenewalgroup.com) is asking me to renew my domain name with them, 6 months before expiry. How kind. They also have a telephone number in their letterhead: 1-905-479-2533 (24 hours a day!). So... why is this screaming "SCAM" in large, bold, blinking letters? * They are scaring people into renewing their domain with DRG (see text below). * Letter was printed on Letter-sized paper (hint, we use A4 in Britain, anything else looks odd) * Letter was sent from Jamaica, NY (oh yeah!) * Reply address is in the UK (56 Glouster Rd, Suite 526, London SW7 4UB) * Shitty service and outrageous rates (best competitive offer, hey?) * What irks me the most: We REQUEST that you reply by September 12th... I hope these bastards get done for scamming. Text reproduced here: As a courtesy to domain name holders, we are sending you this notification of the domain name registration that is due to expire in a few months. When you switch today to the Domain Renewal Group, you can take advantage of our best savings. Your registration for XXXX.org will expire on March XX,2009. Act today! Domain name: XXXX.org Reply Requested by: September 12, 2008 You must renew your domain name to retain exclusive rights to it on the Web, and now is the time to transfer and renew your name from your current Registrar to the Domain Renewal Group. Failure to renew your domain by the expiration date may result in a loss of your online identity making it difficult for your customers and friends to locate you on the Web. Privatization of Domain Registrations and Renewals now allows the consumer the choice of Registrars when initially registering and also when renewing a domain name. Domain name holders are not obligated to renew their domain name with their current Registrar or with the Domain Renewal Group. Review our prices and decide for yourself. You are under no obligation to pay the amounts stated below, unless you accept this offer. This notice is not a bill, it is rather an easy means of payment should you decide to switch your domain name registration to the Domain Renewal Group. Terms: 1 year £20. 2 years (Recommended) £35 (save £5). 5 years (Best Value) £65 (save £35). The following names are currently available for you to register and secure, protecting your domain name from being duplicated. XXXX.com XXXX.net (2 years, £35) Registration of the above domain names include DNS, URL and Email Forwarding to a website and mailbox you designate. Transfer and renew your domain name online at www.domainrenewalgroup.com 24 hours a day, 7 days a week or call our Customer Service Department at +1 905 479 2533 to transfer and renew your domain name today. Just got the “courtesy” letter today. Courtesy my arse…

So, the “Domain renewal group” (www.domainrenewalgroup.com) is asking me to renew my domain name with them, 6 months before expiry. How kind. They also have a telephone number in their letterhead: 1-905-479-2533 (24 hours a day!).

So… why is this screaming “SCAM” in large, bold, blinking letters?
* They are scaring people into renewing their domain with DRG (see text below).
* Letter was printed on Letter-sized paper (hint, we use A4 in Britain, anything else looks odd)
* Letter was sent from Jamaica, NY (oh yeah!)
* Reply address is in the UK (56 Glouster Rd, Suite 526, London SW7 4UB)
* Shitty service and outrageous rates (best competitive offer, hey?)
* What irks me the most: We REQUEST that you reply by September 12th…

I hope these bastards get done for scamming.

Text reproduced here:

As a courtesy to domain name holders, we are sending you this notification of the domain name registration that is due to expire in a few months. When you switch today to the Domain Renewal Group, you can take advantage of our best savings. Your registration for XXXX.org will expire on March XX,2009. Act today!

Domain name: XXXX.org
Reply Requested by: September 12, 2008

You must renew your domain name to retain exclusive rights to it on the Web, and now is the time to transfer and renew your name from your current Registrar to the Domain Renewal Group. Failure to renew your domain by the expiration date may result in a loss of your online identity making it difficult for your customers and friends to locate you on the Web.
Privatization of Domain Registrations and Renewals now allows the consumer the choice of Registrars when initially registering and also when renewing a domain name. Domain name holders are not obligated to renew their domain name with their current Registrar or with the Domain Renewal Group. Review our prices and decide for yourself. You are under no obligation to pay the amounts stated below, unless you accept this offer. This notice is not a bill, it is rather an easy means of payment should you decide to switch your domain name registration to the Domain Renewal Group.

Terms: 1 year £20. 2 years (Recommended) £35 (save £5). 5 years (Best Value) £65 (save £35).

The following names are currently available for you to register and secure, protecting your domain name from being duplicated. XXXX.com XXXX.net (2 years, £35)

Registration of the above domain names include DNS, URL and Email Forwarding to a website and mailbox you designate.

Transfer and renew your domain name online at http://www.domainrenewalgroup.com 24 hours a day, 7 days a week or call our Customer Service Department at +1 905 479 2533 to transfer and renew your domain name today.

]]> By: bob http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-234526 bob Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:26:33 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-234526 Told canadian police about this scum they don`t care,they don`t even investigate. Told canadian police about this scum they don`t care,they don`t even investigate.

]]> By: anonymous http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-222787 anonymous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:15:04 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-222787 P.S. -- To further indicate this company is running under the same tactics as before, the domain they use ***in their own registration agreement*** isn't even affiliated with them! They claim their site is drg.com (rear of letter, near very bottom) but that simply isn't true -- drg.com goes to a completely unrelated company that has nothing to do with domains (they are, however, a marketing firm). The Domain Renewal Group's actual domain is domainrenewalgroup.com. So, this just goes to show how much time they spend on their own disclaimers: they don't own or have anything to do with drg.com, yet it's in their disclaimer? I'm surprised drg.com doesn't sue them for false association. It would be worth pointing this out to the real drg.com folks, because I'm sure a marketing firm has a nice big legal firm to back them up. ;) P.S. — To further indicate this company is running under the same tactics as before, the domain they use ***in their own registration agreement*** isn’t even affiliated with them! They claim their site is drg.com (rear of letter, near very bottom) but that simply isn’t true — drg.com goes to a completely unrelated company that has nothing to do with domains (they are, however, a marketing firm).

The Domain Renewal Group’s actual domain is domainrenewalgroup.com.

So, this just goes to show how much time they spend on their own disclaimers: they don’t own or have anything to do with drg.com, yet it’s in their disclaimer?

I’m surprised drg.com doesn’t sue them for false association. It would be worth pointing this out to the real drg.com folks, because I’m sure a marketing firm has a nice big legal firm to back them up. ;)

]]> By: anonymous http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/comment-page-1/#comment-222786 anonymous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:08:28 +0000 http://blog.forret.com/2007/03/govern-yourselves-accordingly/#comment-222786 The DROA is at it again, this time with more associated partners in their legal disclaimer, and worse, operating under a new company name: Domain Renewal Group They’re continuing to send snailmail spam which attempt to trick recipients into renewing their soon-to-be-expires domains with them instead of their current registrar. The registration agreement on the back of the letter states: “DOMAIN RENEWAL GROUP (DRG), http://www.drg.com” “We, us, and our refer to eNom, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc., BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES INC. (dba NameJuice.com) and DRG” The address of their operations? Same office as DROA: 2316 Delaware Avenue #266 Buffalo, New York, 14216-2687 This is one of the biggest problems with capitalism in the United States. Legal rulings are often done against *companies* and not individuals, which lets said individual start a “new company” (even out of the same office) and continue the exact same scam operation under a different name. This can go on for literally a lifetime, or until someone takes the individual to court and gets an injunction upon them. Moral of the story: this bullshit isn’t going to stop until ICANN gets *even more* involved, or someone brings the issue to the attention of a large firm who wishes to take the case on pro-bono. The DROA is at it again, this time with more associated partners in their legal disclaimer, and worse, operating under a new company name: Domain Renewal Group

They’re continuing to send snailmail spam which attempt to trick recipients into renewing their soon-to-be-expires domains with them instead of their current registrar.

The registration agreement on the back of the letter states:

“DOMAIN RENEWAL GROUP (DRG), http://www.drg.com”
“We, us, and our refer to eNom, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc., BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES INC. (dba NameJuice.com) and DRG”

The address of their operations? Same office as DROA:

2316 Delaware Avenue #266
Buffalo, New York, 14216-2687

This is one of the biggest problems with capitalism in the United States. Legal rulings are often done against *companies* and not individuals, which lets said individual start a “new company” (even out of the same office) and continue the exact same scam operation under a different name. This can go on for literally a lifetime, or until someone takes the individual to court and gets an injunction upon them.

Moral of the story: this bullshit isn’t going to stop until ICANN gets *even more* involved, or someone brings the issue to the attention of a large firm who wishes to take the case on pro-bono.

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